When bearings get involved

When bearings get involved

“What will happen if, once I have delivered all my products, we notice that there is a big bug? »

This is THE question that kills. I think every entrepreneur has to deal with it one day – presumably even Volkswagen.

Sir " bin plus zero was convinced that he could produce a faultless product, on his own, the first time. Fortunately, the reality of life was there to remind him that we are not in Care Bear country.

So it's done: I missed Pioupiou 🙂

Well, don't be too scared. In fact it's fine. Read all the way down...

My god, what's going on?

The problem is here:

Short version :

Under certain conditions, the propeller has difficulty turning. It becomes less sensitive and underestimates the wind speed.

Long version :

We have a kind of big chain reaction.

The first problem is that I misdesigned the bearing housing. They are placed directly in the plastic shell. However, its shape is not completely fixed (molding tolerances, temperature variations). As a result, the two bearings are not necessarily well aligned, and it rubs more than expected.

The second problem is that the bearings that were delivered to me are not completely the right size. As a result, they do not tighten enough on the axis. Under certain conditions, the shaft rotates − but the bearing does not.

First side effect: the bearing is made of very hard ceramic, while the axis is made of very malleable marine/food grade stainless steel. You can experiment at home: take mum's beautiful ceramic knife, and rub the tip on the bottom of her favorite IKEA pan (ps: it's not my fault). Suddenly, the bearings nibble the axis − which becomes even less tight − which slips even more − which accelerates the nibbling.

Second side effect: the nibbled stainless steel dust gets into the balls which prevents rotation...

In short, it's completely bogus.

Ironically

I wanted to do too well. It is the choice of these bearings " high-tech “, initially supposed to make the product more reliable, which ultimately caused all the problems.

This choice was not trivial, because these bearings cost 20 to 30x more than conventional stainless steel bearings. It was a non-negligible share in the manufacturing price of the Pioupious.

Moreover, the cost of these bearings is so high, that it was impossible to get supplies in Europe (at least, not for a Pioupiou at this price). Which forced me to go get them in China − with all the worries that go with it. The prototypes had been made with the bearings of a first supplier. Unfortunately, this one never delivered the bearings for the entire series to me (I got my money back). It was therefore necessary to change supplier at the last moment, and a priori the quality is not there.

Not even hurt

It cost me dearly in psychological endurance. It completely screwed up my schedule. But in the end, all's well that ends well.

So I spent some time to re-design the whole binding.

before:

after:

Exit the poorly mastered ceramic bearings made in china. I replace them with stainless steel bearings from a European supplier. I would therefore have standard bearings, with the correct dimensional tolerances and no surprises.

I also take this opportunity to redo an axle with a tighter fit.

And finally, I add a brass ring (in aluminum on the photo) which will keep the two bearings well aligned. They will therefore be better maintained than previously. The assembly can remain very stable, despite the deformations of the plastic shell.

So, I placed the order for the bearings, and I started manufacturing for the new axles and bushings.

In general, the delays on this kind of parts are a few weeks. But I was able to arrange so that the factory (Haute-Savoie) could make this for me in a hurry. We should have them by the end of the week, or the beginning of the following week.

After-sales service

Since all the Pioupious already in place risk being affected by the problem, we will replace everything.

I will therefore suggest that you either send you the parts to make the change yourself (instructions here), or to return the Pioupiou to me so that I can take care of it (obviously, for free).

It's extra work, but out of the question for me to leave these Pioupious in agony. We have launched a project, we will see it through to the end! Banzai!

Obviously, the problem is corrected for all Pioupiou delivered from now on.

19 thoughts on “ When bearings get involved »

  1. hi Nicolas, congratulations on the continuation and expansion of the project! For the after-sales service on the first series, how is it going? you send us an email or we ask you directly for the spare kit?

    1. I have already sent two emails to all owners of Pioupious to inform them. A message on Sept 29 and another on Oct 2. So this article shouldn't come as a surprise. I'm sorry if the information did not circulate to the end.

  2. seen the weak efforts on the axis would it not have been possible to design a system based on magnetic levitation to avoid any pb of friction? (ring magnets correctly oriented in opposition should be able to hold the axis in place)

  3. Dear Nicholas,

    I'm very happy you put all the Pioupious already sold.
    I believe the bearing problems cause you a lot of serious worries in a period of crowds almost everywhere, I would like to express my sympathy.

    The proposed solution seems simple and excellent to me, I hope most Pioupious owners can install the new parts by themselves.

    Sincerely,

    Aernout (pioupiou110)

  4. just a question, for rather saline atmospheres by the sea, does the stainless steel+brass association not pose a problem of electrolysis? wouldn't an ABS tube be more inert? thank you A+

    1. In fact the problem is not simple. The tube is only 0,5mm thick. The machinist with whom I work told me that he was not able to hold the tolerances on such a low thickness in stainless steel. Brass is therefore the second "least worst" choice. Indeed, there may be a risk of galvanic corrosion. That said, it remains moderate because there is not supposed to be too much water going inside the device - and most of the current Pioupious are installed on paragliding spots far from the sea.

      There, I was also constrained by the lead times for the bearings. For the next series, I will take smaller bearings. We will therefore have a thicker tube which can be made of stainless steel.

    2. Yes, but one of mine is installed at sea!
      It will serve as a test, in a year we open the glass and look.
      The idea is that there are Pioupious all along the coast, so it would be better if there were no electrolysis problem.

    3. It will be a good test 🙂

      More seriously, kitesurfing and sailing will be one of our No. 1 markets. So we must obviously do everything so that the Pioupiou resists by the sea.

      As said above, we will have all stainless steel on the new series delivered this winter. But for this repair there, it was not possible in terms of supply times.

    4. No. 417 is at the end of the La Grande Motte kite spot, we must now inform practitioners.
      But it's not just kitesurfing and sailing, all those who go on the water are also interested, fishermen, cruisers... The SNGM's Pioupiou is intended for all water sports enthusiasts in the Baie d'Aigues- Dead.

    5. Perhaps the salt will serve as glue between the bearing and the axle. nature can in this case solve this bug of V1.

    1. That could work. But on the other hand, there is no guarantee that there will not be dust which again blocks everything.

    2. dust of what? outside the pioupiou? because if it is blocked with loclite more wear of the axis.
      and ceramic bearings will be more dust/sand resistant than stainless steel bearings anyway

      I still think that a contactless bearing would be better, a magnetic ring to hold the axis laterally and a half-sphere axis end pressing on a glass ball for the axial force of the propeller, but good c It's only an idea in theory, there are probably technical problems too

    1. I received the new bearings, new bushings, but still not the axles. My supplier was supposed to send them to me a week ago but he is late. I relaunched it on Wednesday, and I'll call it again on Monday.

    2. My Pioupious seem to be working normally for now. For me there is no rush except the website and the ready-to-copy-paste module announced on August 22nd.

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